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emperor ([personal profile] emperor) wrote2009-06-22 06:06 pm
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Remember Rule 163

I would like to remind everyone of rule 163 [0]. It exists to protect a vulnerable minority who are regularly subjected to abuse and intimidation by a more powerful group. That intimidation and abuse nearly always goes unpunished unless injury results, and if this minority are killed and a prosecution occurs, the penalties are relatively small. I'm talking about cyclists.

Rule 163 states, amongst other things "give motorcyclists, cyclists and horse riders at least as much room as you would when overtaking a car", which is sadly not very clear, but is helpfully illustrated:



It is my experience that many many drivers ignore this rule entirely if obeying it would mean the slightest delay to their journey. When you're in a car, please remember rule 163, and give cyclists plenty of room; if you're not driving, encourage the driver to do so, especially if they are a professional driver.

When commuting, I find I often have an unpleasant choice to make - either I cycle in the primary position, in the center of my lane, and get shouted and honked at and overtaken dangerously by some drivers who want to punish me for holding them up, or I cycle in the secondary position (about 1m from the kerb) and get people squeezing past with inches to spare because they are trying to overtake even though there is oncoming traffic and it's not safe to do so. This is quite frankly unacceptable.

On one evening cycle home, one taxi driver passed me twice (I overtook him while he was queuing in traffic). On both occasions, he sounded his horn repeatedly, revved his engine hard, and overtook dangerously close - if he'd misjudged it, or I'd wobbled, he would surely have hit me. I complained to the council's taxi licensing officer who said he'd do nothing unless there was a prosecution. The police/CPS won't prosecute unless a cyclist is injured, so taxi drivers can (and do) behave dangerously around cyclists they don't like without fear of any comeback.

There are a few further points I'd like to raise:

Cycle facilities are often worse than useless. The recommended width of a cycle lane is 2m; almost none that are not also bus lanes are this wide. That means that motorists overtaking at the white line (which many of them do) are passing at much less than the Rule 163 distance. Furthermore, the surface of these on-road cycle lanes is often poorer than the rest of the road, and they fill with debris from the road. I often cycle just outside these sort of lanes for these reasons. Shared-use paths for pedestrians and cycles are dangerous, for both cyclists and pedestrians; indeed there is research showing they are more dangerous to cycle on than the road proper. If you cycle much faster than walking pace, there is a risk of collision with pedestrians who meander across the shared-use path as if it were a pavement, and for all cyclists, there is a risk of collision wherever the path crosses a side-street - it seems that drivers don't expect to meet cyclists at these points, so fail to spot them. Indeed, I'd go as far as to say that many cycle facilities actually make cycling more dangerous, as drivers are more likely to bully cyclists using the road if they see such a facility that the cyclist isn't using.

Accordingly, I'd like to remind drivers that cyclists are not obliged to use these facilities, and you should not shout at those that choose not to. As I say above, often the cyclist is safer on the road. More generally, though don't intimidate cyclists who you feel are delaying you. Cyclists are perfectly entitled to be on the roads, and are a vulnerable group of road users. If you feel a cyclist has made an odd decision about whether to use a cycle facility or not, whether or not to wear a helmet, or whatever, consider that they are entitled to make their own minds up about these things, and have probably given the matter more thought than you have. Shouting "helpful" comments to them is bullying.

Finally, and it shouldn't need saying, driving dangerously to intimidate or punish cyclists is immoral and illegal. Don't do it! I should be able to cycle to and from work free from people threatening to kill or maim me with their vehicles. In an ideal world, there would be effective sanctions against dangerous drivers who collide with cyclists, even if the cyclist is not seriously injured. In practice, this doesn't happen, and even when drivers kill cyclists, they not infrequently escape being charged with any offense.

So yes, remember rule 163, and give cyclists a chance!

ETA This DfT article is quite sensible.

[0] No, this isn't a joke about rules about porn on the internet
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[personal profile] lnr 2009-06-23 03:02 pm (UTC)(link)
This is somewhat antisocial to pedestrians though.

And as some of Ian's links discuss studies show that you're not actually safer on the pavement (even on one *intended* for cycling), even if you feel safer.

Um, not that I can find the page I was reading earlier which I thought came from one of Ian's links, but Emperor has some links below.
Edited 2009-06-23 15:21 (UTC)

[identity profile] bjh21.livejournal.com 2009-06-23 03:19 pm (UTC)(link)
Your last sentence there suggests that "cyclists" are a body corporate with a single coherent set of opinions. We're not, and it would be more accurate to say "some cyclists routinely give themselves far smaller separations from motor vehicles than other cyclists insist motor vehicles ought to give them."

[identity profile] amalion.livejournal.com 2009-06-23 03:25 pm (UTC)(link)
I am not a driver, but I have had issues with cyclists who seem to think that road rules don't apply to them. For example, when I was crossing a one way street, if I hadn't been paranoid about only looking one way, then I would have been hit by a cyclist who felt that it was acceptable for him to ride the wrong way down a one way street. On another occasion, I was nearly hit by a cyclist who decided that they didn't need to look when going from one stretch of dual cycle/pedestrian way across a road to the next stretch. I was on the footpath when the cyclist pelted across the road without stopping to look if there was a) any traffic coming along the road, or b) whether there were any pedestrians using the footpath which was not part of the cycle/pedestrian way.

[identity profile] ashfae.livejournal.com 2009-06-23 03:27 pm (UTC)(link)
That depends on how I react to my paranoia. If I'm freaked out and paranoid, I am not a safe cyclist, regardless of whether I'm on road or pavement, because I am much more likely to make stupid mistakes.

[identity profile] ashfae.livejournal.com 2009-06-23 03:29 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, but I very rarely come across pedestrians, and have no problem with getting off the pavement temporarily to avoid them. The road is constantly full of cars, but the pavement only has an occasional pedestrian, who are easy to avoid. I'm afraid I can't consider it antisocial. (but then, I do come from a country where cycling on sidewalks is legal, so our biases are different)

[identity profile] bjh21.livejournal.com 2009-06-23 03:33 pm (UTC)(link)
At least some government guidance (the Traffic Signs Manual) recommends a width of 1.5m–2.0m for cycle lanes, noting that anything wider than that tends to get used by motor vehicles as an extra lane. I'm a little confused by your comment on TROs since the ones I've digitised (http://bjh21.me.uk/traffic/) either specify a fixed width of 1.5m (areas B, C, and D) or specify a range of 1.0 to 1.5m (areas A and Z).

(Anonymous) 2009-06-23 04:37 pm (UTC)(link)
How many times have you been deliberately attacked with a deadly weapon by a cyclist, threatening you with serious injury ? These kinds of attacks by drivers are an experience that almost every cyclist (at least in Cambridge) has often; normally the actual injury and damage is avoided by the cyclist submitting entirely to the motor-lord.

For that matter, how many times have you been on foot and forced to stop by a driver driving on a pavement, or failing to give way at a zebra crossing, or going through a red light ? How many times have you been prevented from walking on the road - as is your right! - by the intimidation you would face from drivers of motor vehicles? (You do know, don't you, that in law pedestrians have an absolute right of priority over vehicles even on the carriageway, with some very limited exceptions. If you feel like walking in the road, perhaps because the pavement is too narrow for the people who want to use it, in law the drivers must give way to you.)

I've been physically struck by a bus while standing still, as a pedestrian, on the pavement in Magdalene Street. Driving your vehicle on the pavement is a crime - but a crime that is never punished unless the vehicle is a bicycle and the risk is negligible!

The vast majority of pedestrians and cyclists just put up with all this as if it were the natural order of things.

I don't condone the antisocial activities of bad cyclists. But they are completely irrelevant to any discussion of problems on the roads. Cyclists kill about one person a year in Britain. Drivers are the leading cause of early death!

If you're mainly a pedestrian I think you should open your eyes to the real problem, which is not antisocial cycling. Antisocial cycling is rude and irritating. Antisocial driving is deadly violence.

Ian Jackson

(Anonymous) 2009-06-23 05:42 pm (UTC)(link)
Sorry, I misremembered what you said about TROs. Nevertheless even 1.5m wide lanes are a minority in Cambridge, and even 1.5m is too narrow for safety.

Ian

[identity profile] arnhem.livejournal.com 2009-06-23 09:18 pm (UTC)(link)
As I said, I live and drive in a city that's crammed full of utterly deranged cyclists. Crass stupidity on the part of cyclists is not at all an unknown for me. I stand by what I said.

When I'm cycling, drivers' crass stupidity will kill me if I'm not rather defensive in predicting its possibility. The little things like assuming I'm not moving so they can complete their overtaking manoeuvre with a left-turn through me.

The trait of predicting the possibility of other people doing crassly stupid things, is something I see much less often than I'd like in drivers, particularly those who drive faster than their current sight-lines can justify, assuming that the speed limit signs will magically tell them what's safe.

This is probably a consequence of the fact that many drivers don't have a particularly strong sense that their lack of care will kill them.
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[identity profile] sigisgrim.livejournal.com 2009-06-23 10:16 pm (UTC)(link)
My rhetorical question was to focus your attention on what I was saying not what I wasn't.

What you seem not to understand is that I actually don't care a jot for my paintwork. What I do care about is somebody damaging something that isn't theirs, knowing that they did so and just pissing off into the sunset. I would have been just as cross had the paintwork not been mine, but been somebody else's. It's not the paintwork itself that matters it is the wider implications of the actions taken and decisions made.

The person who caused the damage would quite justly be just as upset if I or somebody else did similar to them. That sort of behaviour is bad. It teaches kids that breaking things is OK. It teaches them that running away from your responsibilities is OK. It could ultimately help to teach them that knocking somebody off their bike and sodding off is OK. All of those things are bad and wrong and people who do them need their ways correcting, whether that is through a good shouting at by their parents, or a fine or a custodial sentence, or whatever.
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[identity profile] sigisgrim.livejournal.com 2009-06-23 10:17 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you for that.
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[identity profile] sigisgrim.livejournal.com 2009-06-23 10:30 pm (UTC)(link)
As it happens I'm one of the drivers who does give cyclists, motorcyclists, pedestrians and horse-riders lots of space whenever I possibly can.

It is unfortunate that a small number of cyclists seem to think that all motorists are out to get them. Thankfully this mindset is mistaken. Yes, a few bad motorists may be out to get cyclists. Frequently they seem to be out to get other drivers as well.

Cars (and vans and lorries) who cut up cyclists are just as likely to cut up other larger motorised vehicles as well. They generally aren't out to just get a cyclist, they want the whole road to themselves.

To be clear on matters the reason I gave the response I did previously was because the poster seemed determined to be aggressive and obnoxious regardless of what was said. The I'm right whatever anybody else says mentality that incites aggression. It was my way of pointing out I was walking away from his aggressive behaviour. (I considered just not replying at all, but then it is far less obvious that one is not participating any longer and yes, I'm sure that I could have done it better.) His subsequent response just demonstrates that he is nothing more than a militant who appears to like to stir up trouble and hatred. Indeed the type of person who put behind the wheel of a car would probably end up knocking a cyclist off their bike. I hope that I'm wrong in that assessment, but at the moment that is how he comes over to me.
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[identity profile] ewx.livejournal.com 2009-06-24 08:33 am (UTC)(link)
The evidence seems to be that you also don't care a jot that people are getting injured and killed. Are you really unaware of how obnoxious you are being?
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[personal profile] lnr 2009-06-24 08:48 am (UTC)(link)
It is unfortunate that a small number of cyclists seem to think that all motorists are out to get them. Thankfully this mindset is mistaken. Yes, a few bad motorists may be out to get cyclists. Frequently they seem to be out to get other drivers as well.

I don't think Matthew could be included in this small minority (and I certainly hope you'd agree there), and I don't think Ian is either. Given that *some* motorists behave that way, and you can't tell by looking which ones, it's often prudent to behave when cycling as if that were true though.

Cars (and vans and lorries) who cut up cyclists are just as likely to cut up other larger motorised vehicles as well. They generally aren't out to just get a cyclist, they want the whole road to themselves.

Cutting up other vehicles is always bad, and can leave to accidents. Most of the time it doesn't. When you're on a bike it's *fucking* scary though.

I was just coming into work this morning, and coming up to a junction with a left turn lane I followed the bike lane to go straight on up the middle. The bike lane runs out before the bike box at the lights, leaving you just to the left of the white line. As I was approaching the bike box the lights changed, so I pulled slightly over right into the middle of the bike box, because I know that the left-turn lane has an earlier phase in the traffic-light sequence and that cars might need to pass me on the left. And as I did so the car behind me (in the straight-on lane) who had hit the accelerator on amber came hurting past me with 6 inches to spare. I wasn't hurt, but if I'd been trying to pull any further into the straight-on lane I would have been, because he left *no* room for error. I swore in reaction, stood holding my chest as my heart raced, and attempted not to burst into tears and get myself back under control before the lights came round again. That driver probably didn't even realise he did that to me.

You say you don't drive like that, and actually I believe you. But Matthew's original post wasn't aimed at you. It was aimed at making sure that drivers who *aren't* aware of how much space a cyclist needs become aware. And aware all the time when driving, not just aware in an abstract sense if asked about it. Aware even when they're in a hurry and trying to catch the lights. And Matthew made the post because of *several* incidents like the one I had this morning.

When this sort of thing is routine can you see why people coming along and complaining about the behaviour of cyclists and the fact they can cause minor scratches to cars might get someone's back up? The point someone else makes below that they hate to see bad cycling because they're scared of *hurting* the cyclists is much more compelling, even if it's equally irrelevant to Matthew's point.

Regardless of the behaviour of anyone and everyone else involved Rule #163 is still important, and it's still something that a lot more drivers need to be better aware of. And I think even driving *instructors* need to be better aware of it too, given how mine in the past have reacted to the amount of space I give bikes.
Edited 2009-06-24 08:51 (UTC)

[identity profile] lavendersparkle.livejournal.com 2009-06-24 08:50 am (UTC)(link)
I've been scared by cyclists whilst driving, but that's because I'm a nervous driver and when it occurred I was driving a van around central London, which is enough to induce a panic attack on its own, and crazy London cyclists whiz around me. The fear at the time was the fear of hurting them, I would be fine in the cab of the transit. It's not intimidation as there was no threat to myself.

I have suffered from far more intimidation and risk to my life from car drivers, both when cycling and when driving.

This whole thread is stargely reminiscent of the LJ wank when someone says "Isn't it terrible that so many women are raped and sexually assaulted" and is met by a chorus of "Not all men are rapists" and "Some men men are raped too".
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[personal profile] lnr 2009-06-24 08:52 am (UTC)(link)
Regardless of their relevance in general their behaviour is irrelevant as to the question of whether cars should give them plenty of room when overtaking. Bad cycling does not mean Rule #163 does not apply.
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[personal profile] lnr 2009-06-24 08:54 am (UTC)(link)
Have you considered getting some cycle training? If cycling on the road really does freak you out at the moment then it might really help.

It sounds like you cycle somewhere with far fewer pedestrians than I normally see on the streets of Cambridge, where if you were to pop on and off the road for each one you'd never spend any time on the pavement!
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[personal profile] lnr 2009-06-24 08:57 am (UTC)(link)
The difference is that they can be identified when in a car and penalised. Perhaps cyclist would get a better image if all bikes had registered owners and prominent registration plates like motorcycles, enabling easy identification and punishment of those who disobey the rules of the road.

I hope you don't mind me commenting on several things you've said, but what do you think of the fact that although Ian has identified the people involved in several incidents when his bike was damaged (sometimes severely) and he was even assaulted (and I was a witness to those handprints on his neck) and yet not *once* has the identification led to punishment.

And yet each year in Cambridge many cyclists get fixed penalty tickets handed out on the spot for pavement cycling and lack of lights.

I do think it would be good if poor cyclist behaviour could be reduced. It gives cyclists a bad name, and makes life much less pleasant on the roads for those of us who do cycle carefully and safely and within the law. But I don't think registration would make any difference.
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[personal profile] lnr 2009-06-24 08:58 am (UTC)(link)
I was trying not to make that comparison, but it had occurred to me too.

[identity profile] lavendersparkle.livejournal.com 2009-06-24 09:04 am (UTC)(link)
Fuck you!

I have never heard of a driver being killed by a cyclists poor cycling but I am the sister of someone who was maimed and very nearly killed* by some idiot's dangerous driving. The idiot in question didn't even lose his license. His fine came to £5 per break in my brother's bones.

Can you see how responding to someone's complaint that their life is regularly endangered by people's dangerous aggressive behaviour with an anecdote about how your paintwork got scratch makes you you sound like a prick?

*and when I say "nearly killed" I mean that the doctors who operated upon my brother said that the majority of people in that kind of accident die.

[identity profile] naath.livejournal.com 2009-06-24 09:09 am (UTC)(link)
Well, yes, some cyclists are clueless. I don't think I've ever seen a cyclist being so stupid as to have *no* road awareness though. Of course some cyclists have a greater degree (than other cyclists) of expectation that car users will take action to avoid hitting them - actions such as *looking for cyclists* before turning out of a side road or drive way.

I've not seen a multi-car pile up result from a cyclist Doing Stupid Things; I don't doubt that it is a theoretically possible outcome. But I do live in Stupid Cyclist Central so I think that the probability of such terrible outcomes is experimentally fairly low.

I have had many cars do things that were directly dangerous to me - like overtaking inches from my elbow (what if I wobbled?) or tail gating.
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[personal profile] lnr 2009-06-24 09:50 am (UTC)(link)
The time his bike was destroyed was a case of someone driving through red lights, not road rage. He got insurance money to replace the bike, but there was no prosecution. So it's not just road rage. And when my sister was attacked by another (female) driver in a road rage incident (and had hair pulled out) after they'd both stopped at a petrol station it was prosecuted, so it's not the case that road rage assaults can't be prosecuted.

I still find it uncomfortable that you can say:
There are just a bunch of assholes out there who choose to use whatever vehicle they are using at the time as a weapon and to intimidate others, regardless of the size of the other vehicle - cars who intimidate and are inconsiderate to cyclists are just as likely to do the same to other cars, or even lorries may times their size. Similarly there are cyclists of the same mentality.
and apparently not see the inherent complete disparity in scale, both in intimidation *caused* and in intimidation *received*.
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