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posted by [personal profile] emperor at 03:05pm on 15/04/2009 under ,
Having got a DW account, I need to decide what (if anything) to use it for. After all, I have a permanent account on LJ, and have done for years (the account is over 8 years old, I can't remember when I permanentified it). Even if I wanted a permanent account here (they seem to call them seeds), I can't have one (I'm on holiday well away from the internet 24 April to 4th May, and I full expect the seed account options to have all gone by the time I get back); there don't appear to be any plans to sell more seed accounts in future. I really like having a permanent LJ account, so that's quite a downer before we even start! Maybe there could be a way to hold an option on one before the open beta...

The key advantages of DW seem to be twofold - firstly, it has more clear trust network functions (you can separate who you want to read from who you trust to read your protected entries), and secondly it is aiming to be "fluffier" than LJ. There are some more or less substantial other UI tweaks, but they seem to be aiming to fix some quirks in LJ that have never bothered me.

As a network analyst myself, the first feature is definitely sensible (and might even reduce some of the de-friending drama that drifts round LJ from time to time), and I'm interested to see what difference it'll make to peoples' social networks over time. There might even be a short research paper in it :-) The flip-side here is that LJ might reasonably decide that this feature is good, and incorporate it into their code-base; in fact, I'll be a bit surprised if they don't do so.

The second I'm less sure of; back when LJ was starting up, it felt fluffy and community-oriented. I really applaud the Dreamwidth founders for trying again, and for making commitments to being ad-free and suchlike. But; will things still be this good 8 years' hence? Will the be-nice business model succeed?

[I wonder how [staff profile] denise finds time to read users' entries!]
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posted by [identity profile] celestialweasel.livejournal.com at 02:38pm on 15/04/2009
... the fond hope is that
a) they will have some sensible ideas about how much this will really cost them to run in the real world
b) now that the web 2.0 bubble has come and gone, the lure of filthy lucre will not enduce them to sell out

Also, to be honest, I suspect the LJ user base is regarded as being extremely high maintenance so no-one would want to pay much for its successor.
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posted by [personal profile] sophie at 03:02pm on 15/04/2009
[I wonder how [staff profile] denise finds time to read users' entries!]

As someone who came over here from her reading page, I have absolutely no freaking idea.

(Hi! Nice to see you. :D)
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posted by [personal profile] emperor at 03:09pm on 15/04/2009
Hi :)
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posted by [personal profile] naraht at 03:33pm on 15/04/2009
I am addicted to [staff profile] denise's reading page, although it was much easier to keep up with when there were 400 accounts rather than 2000. :)
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posted by [staff profile] denise at 03:15pm on 15/04/2009
[staff profile] denise has been a speed-reader since she was about two. ;)

If you're curious about business matters, by the way, check out [site community profile] dw_biz. [staff profile] mark and I have the advantage of years of having worked in Web 2.0, and specifically on LJ, so we went into this knowing exactly what it would cost and what we would need to be sustainable, and did our models thusly. If we can hit and maintain a 5% paid account rate, we're in the black; anything over & above is going to let us do really awesome things.

LJ didn't add ads because they were hurting for money; Six Apart was trying to get rich, and now SUP is trying to recoup the vastly inflated purchase price they paid for the property. A while back, I wrote a series of essays about why advertising is bad for social media that I should clean up and post to [site community profile] dw_biz.
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posted by [personal profile] emperor at 03:21pm on 15/04/2009
A useful skill :-)

Sorry, I didn't mean to imply you were a pair of numpties with no idea of what you were letting yourselves in for! Thank you for the comment, though.

Do you have any definite plans wrt future permanent account sales, OOI?
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posted by [staff profile] denise at 03:32pm on 15/04/2009
We are almost certainly not going to do perm sales again. We hate that we even have to on launch, but we want to make sure we have the first years' operating expenses in the bank up front for safety's sake.

Perm sales are bad for the users, because they wind up feeling "hey, they already have my money, why should they care about what I say?" and bad for the business, because it privileges short-term revenue over long-term sustainability. So we really don't want to do it again if we don't have to. We may do one more sale when we move to colocation, if we're making enough to support the business but not enough to do the capital outlay of the colo, but I'd really like to avoid it if at all possible.
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posted by [personal profile] emperor at 03:34pm on 15/04/2009
Shucks. I really like permanent accounts (though completely take the point that they're not great for the business).
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posted by [staff profile] denise at 03:46pm on 15/04/2009
Yeah, they are convenient for the user in some ways, and I'm pretty sure we could sell a lot more than 400 of them, but we don't want to risk it. We're really designing for the long term here, and we'd rather make sure that things are sustainable.
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posted by [personal profile] lnr at 04:57pm on 15/04/2009
No intention of signing up to dreamwidth while it's in beta: I'm pretty happy with LJ as it is at the moment, and I'm not up to yet more sites in parallel (Facebook is bad enough). Will be watching developments though.

It's nice I can use LJ as openid to comment though, and that I can have quite a few simple settings here to make it more friendly.
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posted by [identity profile] pellegrina.livejournal.com at 07:37pm on 15/04/2009
I certainly want a Dreamwidth account as soon as an invite code comes my way (FX: begging puppy) or public account creation starts. As I have a permanent account at LJ and almost all my friends are there and I quite like my large numbers of icons, I am not sure what it would take to lure me fully to Dreamwidth, but it seems set up to allow one to keep a foot in both camps fairly easily, which is great; one thing that winds me up is the stubborn rump of people who refuse to come over from Facebook so that I have to go there to have any contact with them at all, whereas DW seems to recognize that people want to stay in touch with friends who may not want an account themselves.
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posted by [personal profile] rmc28 at 05:52pm on 17/04/2009
I'm certainly interested in Dreamwidth (please add me to the queue for invite codes behind pellegrina!) - I like the ad-free model and I like the ability to cope with people being in different sites. I'm having fun exploring what I can do with just the OpenID login.
 
posted by [identity profile] the-marquis.livejournal.com at 08:19pm on 20/04/2009
I'm here having seen your, naraht's and finally sally-maria's posts about it. Having a perm-LJ account I don't know if I'd move it all here as I'm lazy, short of time etc, but having access to this space would be helpful in the event of cross-posting tech fail.

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