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posted by [identity profile] mhw.livejournal.com at 10:02am on 30/05/2004
"We believe" Why have a creed at all? Something on the nature of faith.

Um. I've grown to see creeds as things with which to police the boundaries of discourse, less "We believe..." than "If you want to be with us, you'd better believe...". That's doctrine, not faith; authority, not reasoning.

Of course, as an outsider - and if I were an insider, I'd be far too heretical (in the proper sense of hairesis) to be comfortable in a Church-with-Capitals - (as [livejournal.com profile] atreic rightly says, there's only one of me with my beliefs and opinions, and since when did a single person saying what they think have any weight? not for a couple of thousand years, apparently) and as a known wibbler about doctrines of Uniformity and Conformity, I doubt that what I'm saying can be particularly helpful to you :(

*chuckle* As a sideline, it feels really odd for me to see the Creed in English, and in modern English at that. Credo in unum Deum, Patrem omnipotentem, factorem caeli et terrae, visibilium omnium et invisibilium...
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posted by [identity profile] atreic.livejournal.com at 10:52am on 30/05/2004
Surely though, the things everyone thinks are true are the most interesting things? So if you make your creed democratically, by throwing away the stuff you can't agree on and keeping what's left, you get to the basic, most important stuff of the whole thing?

I didn't want to say that being a minority or having unpopular opinions necessarilly makes you wrong... but if you have opinions you can't persuade anyone of, can't discuss or debate or defend beyond "that's my faith" then there probably is something wrong with them... 2000 years ago someone *persuaded other people* that they were right, and their ideas keep being persuasive to this day. If your ideas can't hold water with any one at all even when they're prepaired to listen to you, then that's a good sign that they might be wrong...

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