posted by [identity profile] the-alchemist.livejournal.com at 03:25pm on 11/04/2005
I don't think I'm very keen on 'the market'. And 'consistency' is overrated.

Is what you're saying that if we let everyone into Britain who wanted to come, then eventually the standard of living would decline so much that no-one would want to any more? If so, I can't see who that would benefit. If not, what are you saying?
 
posted by [identity profile] senji.livejournal.com at 03:37pm on 11/04/2005
Or alternativelty the standard of living in other places might improve such that they don't wish to leave / wish to travel to different places.

Of course, it's hardly an unconstrained market if only Britain has free immigration. If other countries also opened up their borders then you might find more Britains emigrating than people moving in to take their place.

There is also an argument based on "personal freedoms" to consider.
 
posted by [identity profile] the-alchemist.livejournal.com at 03:43pm on 11/04/2005
Or alternativelty the standard of living in other places might improve such that they don't wish to leave / wish to travel to different places.

That's obviously something to aim for, and once it happens then of course immigration should be uncontrolled. I can't see it happening in my lifetime, however, and I don't think that uncontrolled immigration would be a good idea until it does.

I don't know what would happen if everywhere opened their borders... I still think Britain would get very overcrowded. It's irrelevant, however - this discussion is about manifesto aims, and manifestos are based on how things are, not how things would be if all the other countries in the world started behaving completely differently.
 
posted by [identity profile] senji.livejournal.com at 04:17pm on 11/04/2005
Ahh, but my argument is that more porous borders would help to achieve the more-equal state of affairs elsewhere.

Of course, in practice, I doubt any government would suddenly turn immigration controls off – you'd have a phased lessening, and opportunity to reexamine the process.

On the other hand I can imagine governments going for quite large steps in strengthening of border controls.
 
posted by [identity profile] the-alchemist.livejournal.com at 10:10pm on 11/04/2005
Ahh, but my argument is that more porous borders would help to achieve the more-equal state of affairs elsewhere.

Yes - that could work. But I don't think that Britain (or even Europe) unilaterally opening its borders would do any good.

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