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posted by [personal profile] emperor at 01:55pm on 01/06/2005
One of the things I'm meant to be doing at the moment is editing a series of seminar proceedings for the TS. One of the authors has asked me whether sword and sorcery (or sword-and-sorcery) should be hyphenated or not. So, a poll!

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posted by [personal profile] pm215 at 01:02pm on 01/06/2005
I've always assumed it was usually 'swords and sorcery' (note pluralisation), although google tells me that 'sword and sorcery' beats it by about 3 to 1...
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posted by [identity profile] ewx.livejournal.com at 01:05pm on 01/06/2005
I always thought ‘swords’ too.
 
posted by [identity profile] borusa.livejournal.com at 01:06pm on 01/06/2005
Like...ditto... and "swords-and-sorcery".
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posted by [personal profile] sparrowsion at 01:13pm on 01/06/2005
I'd really want to make that judgement based on the actual text, and what seems right in that context. For instance, if the article separately examines the "sword" and "sorcery" components then I'd go against hyphenation. In fact, I'd probably go for that version by default, but I don't think there's anything particularly wrong with the hyphenated form.
 
posted by [identity profile] cartesiandaemon.livejournal.com at 01:25pm on 01/06/2005
Yeah. In general, I'd go with "swords and sorcery genre", but if you're going to be using it as a phrase block a lot in an essay it makes sense to choose something that can't be confused with something else, say a literal reference to swrods and sorcery as thigns.
 
posted by [identity profile] j4.livejournal.com at 01:24pm on 01/06/2005
So long as it makes it clear that you're using it as a single unit, and you're consistent throughout, I don't think it matters too much. Personal opinion, though: if you're using the phrase a lot, hyphenate; if it just comes up once or twice, just put it in quotes. If you just leave it without any punctuation, I'm not sure it will be clear enough that you mean swords-and-sorcery (all one thing) rather than swords, the pointy things, and sorcery, the magic thing. (OTOH, this may be screamingly obvious from context, so, um.)

If I was writing an article which was likely to use the phrase a lot, I'd probably say "Swords and Sorcery (S&S)" the first time and then just "S&S" thereafter. This may not be possible if you're editing existing text, though.
 
posted by [identity profile] 3c66b.livejournal.com at 01:51pm on 01/06/2005
A pedant writes: the best rule for hyphenation I know is that you hyphenate when a noun phrase qualifies another noun. So `a sword-and-sorcery novel' is like `the ten-ton weight' or `a first-order result'. This does get rid of the momentary ambiguity if you're talking about the properties of swords and sorcery novels.

I agree with j4: abbreviate if you can.
 
posted by [identity profile] rochvelleth.livejournal.com at 05:23pm on 01/06/2005
Voted for the hyphens. But extra information: I wrote an article for a Classics journal not so long ago and employed the term "swords 'n' sandals" a lot - I think I only didn't use hyphens for that because it would have screwed up the 'n'. Hyphens seems standard to me but *shrug*
 
posted by [identity profile] wildeabandon.livejournal.com at 12:11am on 02/06/2005
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