Apparantly, the security services have foiled a plot to blow up "up to 10" transatlantic flights leaving the UK at some point in the near future. Relatedly, they're now cancelling great numbers of flights into and out of the UK, and requiring people to travel with no hand luggage; the claim is that other cells might strike now worried they're about to be caught, too.[1]
In an entirely coincidental piece of timing, yesterday John Reid was going on about how we had to be prepared to sacrifice our hard-won freedoms to protect our freedoms[2]. It seems likely that today's events (and maybe the prosecution of the people arrested at some point) will be used to help frighten us into accepting ID cards, and other curbs on our civil liberties.
For reference, here are some numbers. 2,976 people died from the terrorist attack on September 11th, 2001[3], and 52 people were killed in the London bombings of July 7, 2005[4]. A Boeing 747-400 holds around 400 people[5], meaning that an upper limit on the expect casualties in this case (assuming complete success, and full planes) would be around 4000 people.
Those are quite large numbers, but let me try and put them in perspective. In 2005, 3,201 people were killed on the UK's roads, and 29,000 were seriously injured[6]. In 1995 (which seems to be the most recent stats available), over 120,000 people died as a result of smoking (that's about 1/5 of all deaths)[7].
The Irish troubles killed 3,523 people between July 1969 and the end of 2001[8].
I'm ignoring for purposes of argument, the enormous casualties of war and terrorism elsewhere in the world, particularly in the Middle East, because they're not related to the point I'm trying to make. In the UK, you are very unlikely to be killed as a result of terrorist action - a road traffic accident is more likely to kill you, to oversimplify a little. And yet it's terrorism that dominates the headlines, on an alarmingly regular basis. I'm not belittling the tragedy of people dying in terrorist attacks, nor saying that we should do nothing to try and stop them. I'd just like to see a sense of perspective restored.
Terrorism is not the greatest threat to British society - for the most part it just causes inconvenience and disruption. I'd argue that a greater threat is politicians using "the terrorist threat" to justify their own mad authoritarian schemes. You're either supporting them in their scramble to remove our ancient and hard-won civil liberties (habeas corpus anyone?), or you're opening the UK up to massive terrorist attacks. This article talks a lot of sense about how by abandoning our own freedoms because we're afraid of terrorists, we've given in to those terrorists. I'd go further and claim that politicians who use the excuse of terrorism to undermine our civil liberties are little better than the terrorists themselves.
[1]BBC article
[2]BBC article
[3]Wikipedia article
[4]Wikipedia article.
[5]Boeing website.
[6]DfT statistics
[7]Department of Heath Statistics
[8]Cain project, University of Ulster
In an entirely coincidental piece of timing, yesterday John Reid was going on about how we had to be prepared to sacrifice our hard-won freedoms to protect our freedoms[2]. It seems likely that today's events (and maybe the prosecution of the people arrested at some point) will be used to help frighten us into accepting ID cards, and other curbs on our civil liberties.
For reference, here are some numbers. 2,976 people died from the terrorist attack on September 11th, 2001[3], and 52 people were killed in the London bombings of July 7, 2005[4]. A Boeing 747-400 holds around 400 people[5], meaning that an upper limit on the expect casualties in this case (assuming complete success, and full planes) would be around 4000 people.
Those are quite large numbers, but let me try and put them in perspective. In 2005, 3,201 people were killed on the UK's roads, and 29,000 were seriously injured[6]. In 1995 (which seems to be the most recent stats available), over 120,000 people died as a result of smoking (that's about 1/5 of all deaths)[7].
The Irish troubles killed 3,523 people between July 1969 and the end of 2001[8].
I'm ignoring for purposes of argument, the enormous casualties of war and terrorism elsewhere in the world, particularly in the Middle East, because they're not related to the point I'm trying to make. In the UK, you are very unlikely to be killed as a result of terrorist action - a road traffic accident is more likely to kill you, to oversimplify a little. And yet it's terrorism that dominates the headlines, on an alarmingly regular basis. I'm not belittling the tragedy of people dying in terrorist attacks, nor saying that we should do nothing to try and stop them. I'd just like to see a sense of perspective restored.
Terrorism is not the greatest threat to British society - for the most part it just causes inconvenience and disruption. I'd argue that a greater threat is politicians using "the terrorist threat" to justify their own mad authoritarian schemes. You're either supporting them in their scramble to remove our ancient and hard-won civil liberties (habeas corpus anyone?), or you're opening the UK up to massive terrorist attacks. This article talks a lot of sense about how by abandoning our own freedoms because we're afraid of terrorists, we've given in to those terrorists. I'd go further and claim that politicians who use the excuse of terrorism to undermine our civil liberties are little better than the terrorists themselves.
[1]BBC article
[2]BBC article
[3]Wikipedia article
[4]Wikipedia article.
[5]Boeing website.
[6]DfT statistics
[7]Department of Heath Statistics
[8]Cain project, University of Ulster
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*adds to memories*
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I still can't see an easy way to get my laptop to the States next Tuesday, though...
I'd just like to see a sense of perspective restored.
RESTORED?!? Did we ever have one in the media?
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Very good post though!
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Good Post!
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I wonder if there is something odd in how we think about it, cars kill people - oh but that's accidents! Except they're caused by us or another driver doing something wrong or not doing something right. So it's fate (well almost). Thus people think "it might be me" or "how do you know when your number is up?" about terrorists (especially as these days their aims are rather more nebulous, and if they intend to die to it's much harder to negotiate them out of doing it).
Isn't it odd as well that I don't remember quite this much hysteria about the IRA, we were all cautioned to be alert - but no one mentioned ID cards.
Certainly though with driving as with terrorism you can cut the small statistical chances down by being alert to your surroundings and concentrating on what you're meant to be doing (especially if you're the driver). So the stiff upper lip should continue to live its life almost unchanged, the proviso being to be more alert.
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I am suprised that I've yet to read any theory that terrorists are being funded by governments to disrupt things like this. After all if you're a government crony in the arms, armoured vehicle, or personal defence equipment industry wouldn't this be lining your pockets?
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Whatever we do the terrorists win. If we do nothing then they blow lots of us up. If we do something then they've caused us to react.
Secondly, the calculations are based on just one terrorist act, that of blowing up ten airliners each with 400 people on board. If the goverment and security forces do nothing then the terrorists will blow up a further ten aircraft the following week, and the week after, and the week after that, etc.
So even on the conservative estimate of 4000 people per week that is just over 200,000 people in one year. I think that is quite a significant proportion of those who travel across the Atlantic (which is where the current specific threat is supposed to be) compared with the number of people who use the roads vs those who are killed on the roads each year.
By the way, V for Vendetta is a brilliant film. It is now out on DVD, buy a copy. It is my film of the year; far, far better than Superman Returns or X3, or even Pirates of the Carribean: Deadman's Chest.
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That's because this represents the kind of major terrorist attack that takes a great deal of time and coordination to set up. It's not the kind of thing that could be done week after week after week - especially not with many of the major players having just been nicked.
Sorry, but your calculations are way off.
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So by simple maths: 200,000 people per year. QED.
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First I've heard of it. Materials that can be disguiused as like innoccuous substances that you might normally take in your hand luggage, but are nothing of the kind, yes... common cleaning products & toiletries, no.
No it isn't - I quote: "I'm not belittling the tragedy of people dying in terrorist attacks, nor saying that we should do nothing to try and stop them.".
There's a difference between the kind of (largely) effective covert counter-terrorist operations that our security services have been carrying out out for decades now, and the rampant scaremongering that our current government is promoting.
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Personally my conservative estimate is zero, based on the zero recent attacks of this nature on aircraft. Note, for example, that outside of the US people are not required to have their shoes scanned, so we're wide open to the Richard Reid attack. And yet planes are not falling out of the sky due to exploding shoes.
Nor is it a dichotomy between doing something and doing nothing. The article is all about a proportional reponse; we should look at the risk of terrorism in the light of all the other risks we face, and take simple and proportionate measures to reduce the risk.
The difference is between treating terrorism as part of the risk of crime and disaster in the normal way, and treating it as some special thing which justifies throwing all normal concepts of justice and restraint out of the window.
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Fixed.
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agreed.
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And lj?
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