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posted by [personal profile] emperor at 12:11pm on 15/10/2007 under
I surprised my colleagues by exclaiming "Gordon Bennett" the other day (I forget about what now); I think "fucking hell" would have elicited less of a response. Whilst playing Robo Rally, [livejournal.com profile] sain_bano exclaimed "Oh Shit!" when her robot was shoved by another robot, and then looked very embarrassed (I think because L was present). [livejournal.com profile] atreic's parents consider the word "knackered" to be swearing (I consider it entirely polite, so have caused offense a few times by carelessly using it in conversation).

I seem to have a fairly inconsistent view on swearing. I don't generally use the word "fuck" in speech, but was entertained by the fucking short version of Pulp Fiction, and seem to mind using it in type less. I seem to think "bollocks", "shit", and "crap" are more mild, and sometimes forget that they aren't always appropriate (whoops!).

Anyhow, I found this article interesting and entertaining, especially the bit about the Stroop effect. [I think that link is WS, despite its use of swear-words. YMMV]
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posted by [personal profile] gerald_duck at 11:46am on 15/10/2007
Surely you're sufficiently qualified that you could excuse yourself by saying you'd used "knackered" in its technical sense?

I saw that article via [livejournal.com profile] jedusor a while back and computed that I use the word "fuck" in roughly 0.5% of my LJ postings. I view this as entirely acceptable: if I used it often it would lose its power as an intensifier; if I used it never it would be, well, useless.

I don't believe in words that must never be used; words are there to be used, however infrequently.


As I noted to [livejournal.com profile] jedusor, I'd have trouble counting the uses of each word in:

four four four one one five

…more than in:

funt funt funt prunk prunk pimhole

[Swear words fictionalised to keep comment unequivocally work-safe.] The Stroop effect seems to be a problem for me only when the meaning of the words contradicts what I'm trying to determine about them, not when their meaning is in some sense shocking.

Also, I regard farting and spitting as more objectionable than defecation, urination or nasal mucus. This doesn't stop me regarding defecatory and urinary swearing as moderate-to-strong.

I once met someone who claimed that "bloody" was blasphemy and referred to the blood of Christ on the cross; I think he was talking cobblers. "Gordon Bennett", on the other hand, really might be a euphemism for a blasphemy.
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posted by [personal profile] emperor at 11:52am on 15/10/2007
Wikipedia thinks that Gordon Bennett is based upon a notorious person with that name...
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posted by [personal profile] gerald_duck at 12:14pm on 15/10/2007
Yes, but people's names can still be swearing/blasphemy, if used to connote swearing/blasphemy, surely?

For example "berk", which seems to be regarded as a fairly mild insult meaning "a bit of an idiot" is an abbreviation of "Berkeley Hunt", which is itself Cockney rhyming slang for the 'c' word. Not so polite after all — though there seems to be little rationality to what offends whom when it comes to swearing.

(Incidentally, I accidentally let the 'f' word slip through, up there. I hope I'm excused?)
 
posted by [identity profile] woodpijn.livejournal.com at 12:02pm on 15/10/2007
"Bloody" is supposed to be derived from "By Our Lady", so arguably blasphemous but not about Christ's blood. Lots of expletives (generally the ones considered very mild these days) have little-known religous roots, like "strewth" (God's truth) and "drat you" (God rot you).
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posted by [personal profile] gerald_duck at 12:10pm on 15/10/2007
Also "zounds", though nobody uses that much any more. Except in Scrabble.
 
posted by [identity profile] covertmusic.livejournal.com at 12:24pm on 15/10/2007
Gor blimey - God blind me - too.
 
posted by [identity profile] wellinghall.livejournal.com at 12:23pm on 15/10/2007
"Dear me" is from the Italian "Dio Mio", "My God".

"Gorblimey" is from "God blind me".

See Larry Niven's stories for the future use of "censored" and "bleep" as swear words.
 
posted by [identity profile] vyvyan.livejournal.com at 03:47pm on 15/10/2007
"Bloody" is supposed to be derived from "By Our Lady"

...supposed by mistaken people. There's no etymological support for this at all - it's simply an adjective derived from "blood".
 
posted by [identity profile] woodpijn.livejournal.com at 01:50pm on 16/10/2007
I wasn't sure, which was why I said "supposed". Thanks for the correction. I always thought it being derived from "by Our Lady" was a bit weird syntactically - I mean, it doesn't make any by Our Lady sense.
 
posted by [identity profile] keith-underdown.livejournal.com at 04:03pm on 17/10/2007
Blimey comes from "God Blind me" ccording my maths master (long ago in about 1962!). "Zounds" is "By God's wounds"
 
posted by [identity profile] woodpijn.livejournal.com at 12:00pm on 15/10/2007
"Knackered" is swearing? I have never heard that before at all. Slangy, yes, but not swearing. Presumably they appreciate the difference?

I seem to think "bollocks", "shit", and "crap" are more mild, and sometimes forget that they aren't always appropriate
Interesting - do you consider those three equally strong? I say "crap" all the time and barely consider it swearing, but tend to avoid the other two. I guess I need to be more mindful of people's differing swear word hierarchies. I probably offend some people unwittingly by saying "crap".
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posted by [personal profile] emperor at 12:32pm on 15/10/2007
I think it's based upon a mis-apprehension that "knackered" derives from "knackers", being slang for the genitals.

I think "shit" is stronger than "bollocks" or "crap", but not vastly so.
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posted by [personal profile] sally_maria at 06:27pm on 15/10/2007
It's obviously not universal, but I also consider "crap" to be acceptable in all but formal situations, but would avoid the other two.

I hope I'm not offending people, but since I seem to be more mealy-mouthed than most of most acquaintances I think it unlikely. (Some of my colleagues actually used to apologise for swearing in front of me, even though I never consciously complained or even reacted.)
 
posted by [identity profile] cartesiandaemon.livejournal.com at 12:13pm on 15/10/2007
Swearing eventually loses its impact; I always hear "Gordon Bennett" as expressing real surprise :)

Hm. "Knackered" certainly *sounds* naughty, and if you think of it as slaughtering, might be a bit squeamish, but surely is entirely acceptable. Come to think of it "knackers" is also slang for "balls", and sounds a bit like "knickers" and "knockers", might that be where the crude associations come from?
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posted by [personal profile] gerald_duck at 12:16pm on 15/10/2007
Project for today: start using "knuckers" as an expletive and see who objects.
 
posted by [identity profile] cartesiandaemon.livejournal.com at 12:48pm on 15/10/2007
Or applauds :) The people I know are the sort to stop a fight to congratulate someone on a particularly innovative use of language :)
 
posted by [identity profile] senji.livejournal.com at 12:53pm on 15/10/2007
kneckers would presumably either be lovers or vampires...
 
posted by [identity profile] didiusjulianus.livejournal.com at 02:08pm on 15/10/2007
What's YMMV?
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posted by [personal profile] emperor at 02:16pm on 15/10/2007
Your Mileage May Vary.
 
posted by [identity profile] sain-bano.livejournal.com at 04:10pm on 15/10/2007
I was embarrassed specifically because of L, but more generally because I think swearing is unneccessary and try to keep my swearing to a minimum (usually by using 'oh, goodness' or 'bother' instead). I have occasional lapses.
 
posted by [identity profile] rochvelleth.livejournal.com at 05:18pm on 15/10/2007
I remember once at school I had just come through the door and one of the teachers asked me how I was. I said I was knackered, and he looked at me shocked.

So later on, when I had a one-on-one lesson with another teacher, I asked him whether he thought knackered was swearing, and he said it was generally accepted that it was. At the time I didn't swear at all, and so decided not to say it any more. But since then I took it up again (there just isn't a better way of describing how tired you are!), of course, though I swear quite rarely even now :)

One of my favourite expressions (and what I'll say if something goes wrong unexpectedly but isn't the end of the world) is "Oh bog!", which people seem to find amusing. But in my defence, I heard somewhere that bog is the Albanian (vel sim.) word for God, so really I'm just blaspheming :)
 
posted by [identity profile] robert-jones.livejournal.com at 07:51pm on 15/10/2007
Isn't "bog" used in that sense in A Clockwork Orange?
 
posted by [identity profile] thethirdvoice.livejournal.com at 09:39am on 18/10/2007
I was once told that 'knackered' means 'exhausted from sex', but this may have been made up from its meaning, and the fact that it is considered rude.

My mum works with computers in a primary school. I think she has a non-offensive word which starts the same way for every offensive word. So, is it rude to say e.g. 'sugar' and 'crumbs', if it is obvious what you mean, or is it sufficiently removed to lack any effect (and to not be obvious for children)? Equally, is it rude to print s**t or f**k - surely it has the same associations?

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