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posted by [personal profile] emperor at 02:01pm on 20/10/2008 under , ,
An interesting article from the BBC, including maps of cause of death, stratified by age, across the UK.

I think the interesting thing is what the reporter says right at the very end about what people actually die of, as opposed to what government policy thinks is a cause of death worth spending money on preventing.
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posted by [identity profile] wellinghall.livejournal.com at 01:05pm on 20/10/2008
Ooh, thanks for that.
 
posted by [identity profile] keirf.livejournal.com at 01:14pm on 20/10/2008
Yeah, but what can we do about transport? I mean, we can't ban cars - how are the thirty year olds going to drive to the hospital for their cancer treatment?
 
posted by [identity profile] gayalondiel.livejournal.com at 01:25pm on 20/10/2008
IME speed limits do precious little to stop people driving however damn fast they like, unless there's heavy traffic in front of them.
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posted by [identity profile] sigisgrim.livejournal.com at 02:33pm on 20/10/2008
A bundle of points on the licences of the people who ignore the limits will help. Education is what is needed; this is one of the things that 20's plenty for us is trying to do.
 
posted by [identity profile] gayalondiel.livejournal.com at 04:04pm on 20/10/2008
This would require actual police presence on the streets - but if it can be enacted, I'm all for it :)
 
posted by [identity profile] mhoulden.livejournal.com at 09:41am on 21/10/2008
Jaywalking laws and being stricter about teaching the Green Cross Code? Getting people to pay attention when they cross the road might be a good place to start. There was this case in Leeds earlier this year where a girl was killed on a crossing on a particularly busy road when she stepped out before the lights changed, and this case where a man was run over by a bus at Leeds bus station. To get to where he was he would have had to walk past 2 signs that said "Buses only. No pedestrians. Go round to the main entrance"
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posted by [identity profile] meirion.livejournal.com at 01:51pm on 20/10/2008
Making suicide harder just leads to the suicidal feeling even more desperately trapped.
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posted by [identity profile] meirion.livejournal.com at 02:56pm on 20/10/2008
I'm talking about the "not always" constituency here. Is it really better for anyone if someone's suicidal for 20+ years with no means to an end?
 
posted by [identity profile] naath.livejournal.com at 02:04pm on 20/10/2008
Well, yes, they do. Unfortunately locking people up and saying "you are too stupid to be allowed to decide whether you want to go on living" is in fact not nice; is in fact a disgusting infringement on people's rights as people.

We do need to have better provision for getting help to people who want help, certainly - but I don't think that "forcibly prevent people from killing themselves" is anything even close to a good idea.
 
posted by [identity profile] shadowphiar.livejournal.com at 02:15pm on 20/10/2008
"what government policy thinks is a cause of death worth spending money on preventing."

Terrrrsm, of course. And smut on the internet.
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posted by [personal profile] hooloovoo_42 at 02:19pm on 20/10/2008
I looked at the map for my age range. If I move from my current brown (cancer) area to a red (cardiovascular) area, will it stop me from getting cancer and give me asthma instead?
 
posted by [identity profile] olithered.livejournal.com at 02:37pm on 20/10/2008
Interesting!
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posted by [personal profile] gerald_duck at 03:12pm on 20/10/2008
Interesting, yes, and no doubt fairly objective, but I'm left with a feeling there must be more revealing ways to present the same underlying data.

For starters, it feels potentially misleading to map the modal causes of death: with nine categories, the cause they show could represent anything from 11% to 100% of deaths! More octogenartans than teenagers could be dying on the roads and the maps would leave us none the wiser.

Secondly, the outline doesn't look entirely like the UK to me. Is it some kind of magic stretch so that each hex has the same population, or has something altogether stranger happened to the map? In any case, it makes it very hard for me, at least, to overlay the map with my general geographical knowledge of the UK: I couldn't reliably point to Cambridge on the map, let alone figure out the extent of the London conurbation.

But mainly, it feels like someone ought to be doing some number crunching to build graphics that illustrate trends. The BBC's article says cancer dominates in rural areas in late middle age: it would be interesting to see an aggregate line graph for all areas judged rural, plotting prevalence of each cause of death against age. Similarly, such graphs for a few latitudinal bands might better illustrate the North-South disparities.
 
posted by [identity profile] ptc24.livejournal.com at 04:19pm on 20/10/2008
This seems to be yet another case where the underlying data is absolutely fascinating, but is let down by the map.

(BTW, I'm reminded of my favourite case of maps being misleading. Look at a red/blue map of the USA, and you come to the conclusion that poor states vote Republican, rich states vote Democrat. However, if you survey individual people, you find that poor people (especially those in rich states) tend to vote Democrat, and rich people (especially those in poor states) tend to vote Republican. And that there are plenty of people whose voting habits run against the geographical and income trends. No particular connection to the maps at hand, just a general reminder that maps can be misleading.)
 
posted by [identity profile] muuranker.livejournal.com at 08:35pm on 22/10/2008
A very interesting set of maps and article!

I wish the government would think more about what they _do_ want people to die from.

I am also interested in what the 'mental disorder' cause of death is. It's not suicide (a separate category). Mortality rates (google shows me) are higher for people with mental disorders, but I am assuming this is because misuse of drugs, misprescription or mis-taking of drugs is higher, that this group is less likely to appropriately self-care, and the health service may be less inclined to provide appropriate care to people who have mental health issues.

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