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posted by [personal profile] emperor at 12:16pm on 04/10/2010 under
What is the opposite of "optimal"? I've taken to using "pessimal", but [livejournal.com profile] robert_jones objected that this wasn't a word, and the rather elderly Shorter OED I had to hand at the time seemed to agree. Looking at OED online, though, it lists "pessimal" as a word, ("Chiefly Science" it notes) with usages from the 20th century, or pessimum (again, "Chiefly Science") which has slightly earlier usages. Is there a better word to use as the antonym of "optimal"? "Worst" doesn't quite cut the mustard.
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posted by [identity profile] marnanel.livejournal.com at 11:20am on 04/10/2010
I've always used "pessimal" for this meaning.
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posted by [personal profile] simont at 11:20am on 04/10/2010
I would certainly have used "pessimal" (and its relative "pessimising", not that that has much use outside derogatory comments about crap compilers and the like), and still would regardless of OED-related objections: perhaps it's a new word or one not often heard outside technical fields, but it's consistently the word I've heard used in the context you describe, and it's instantly clear what it means to anyone who hasn't heard it before.
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posted by [personal profile] simont at 11:21am on 04/10/2010
(More interesting is what the analogue of "sub-optimal" is. I suppose it would have to be super-pessimal :-)
 
posted by [identity profile] marnanel.livejournal.com at 11:24am on 04/10/2010
I think it's worth remembering that the OED's authority does not stand alone but derives from the comprehensiveness of its citations: it's not some linguistic analogue to the Mosaic law. The dictionary reflects usage; usage should not always and necessarily reciprocate.
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posted by [personal profile] emperor at 11:25am on 04/10/2010
I generally agree, but "is it in the dictionary?" seems a plausible bit of data to acquire when faced with a "that's not a word!" objection.
 
posted by [identity profile] khalinche.livejournal.com at 12:06pm on 04/10/2010
*notes 'pessimising' for future complaints about university administration, benefits reform, etc*
 
posted by [identity profile] the-lady-lily.livejournal.com at 11:35am on 04/10/2010
I'd be going with the on-line OED's usage, myself, because I can't think of anything that does the job much better.
 
posted by [identity profile] cartesiandaemon.livejournal.com at 12:10pm on 04/10/2010
I can't think of any better word off the top of my head, and also support using pessimal, as it obviously conveys the meaning you want, whether it's traditionally been used to do so or not.

I guess you might also say that in my cases, the exact nuance of "worst of all possible outcomes" or "worst of all similar outcomes" might not be needed, and "worst" convey the meaning equally well. In which case, pessimal would be reasonable, but as would just using worst (or a similar word).

Conversely, you might use "negatively extremal" or something, and have the added bonus of sounding extra sarcastic.
 
posted by [identity profile] marnanel.livejournal.com at 12:48pm on 04/10/2010
Would you also say that "best" and "optimal" were equivalently useful in your cases?
 
posted by [identity profile] cartesiandaemon.livejournal.com at 01:21pm on 04/10/2010
Or, perhaps, depending on context, perhaps use "maximal" or "minimal", if it's equally clear what you're optimising as whether it's good or bad.
 
posted by (anonymous) at 12:10pm on 04/10/2010
What's wrong with 'worst'?

(Similarly, are there really many circumstances where you wouldn't be better off replacing 'optimal' with 'best'?)

S.
 
posted by [identity profile] mobbsy.livejournal.com at 12:39pm on 04/10/2010
"Worst" is often used in normal English to mean something less strong than "pessimal". I suppose technical jargon could hijack "worst" to have a technical meaning, but then people would complain about that too.

Of course, people used to the word do abuse "pessimal" in casual conversation to just mean "really bad", similarly to the way "worst" is commonly used. However, in a technical context it should be unambiguous.
Edited Date: 2010-10-04 12:39 pm (UTC)
 
posted by [identity profile] muuranker.livejournal.com at 12:14pm on 04/10/2010
Google tells me that there are over 100,000 uses of the word "pessimal", and Google scholar has over 1000.

Subpessimal gets you 4 and 3, respectively, and super-pessimal nothing.



one can nominate words to the OED fire their website.
 
posted by [identity profile] mister-jack.livejournal.com at 12:35pm on 04/10/2010
Pessimal is the right word, use it.
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posted by [identity profile] ewx.livejournal.com at 12:38pm on 04/10/2010
I've been using 'pessimal' for years, probably after hearing it from some geeky type. It clearly is a word, look, it's got letters and everything.
 
posted by [identity profile] samholloway.livejournal.com at 12:41pm on 04/10/2010
What about 'non-optimal'?
 
posted by [identity profile] mobbsy.livejournal.com at 12:44pm on 04/10/2010
That's all members of the set other than the optimal, not just the pessimal member.
 
posted by (anonymous) at 12:48pm on 04/10/2010
Other question: why do you say 'antonym' rather than 'opposite'? Is there some subtle technical shade of meaning I'm missing that meant that 'opposite' wouldn't do just as well?

S.
 
posted by [identity profile] marnanel.livejournal.com at 12:52pm on 04/10/2010
Are you mounting some sort of crusade against synonyms?
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posted by (anonymous) at 12:52pm on 04/10/2010
Oh, my mistake, you'd used 'opposite' earlier and were trying to avoid repetition. Teach me to re-read properly before criticising someone's word choice, that will.

S.
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posted by [identity profile] randomchris.livejournal.com at 01:09pm on 04/10/2010
I'm going to take a controversial tack and declare that there is no opposite.

Because while it's not necessarily possible to make something better (and this can be mathematically proven) I'm unaware of any case where it has been proven that a thing cannot possibly be any worse. E.g. adding to pretty much anything "and you're also on fire" would make it worse.
 
posted by [identity profile] randomchris.livejournal.com at 01:14pm on 04/10/2010
It'd be like trying to find the opposite of absolute zero; it's always (theoretically) possible to make something hotter.

This is different from "best" and "worst" because (at least to me as a mathmo) "optimal" implies an assertion that this is the best possible, as opposed to best available, and is generally used with regard to algorithms etc..
 
posted by [identity profile] theinquisitor.livejournal.com at 06:46pm on 04/10/2010
While we're at it, what's the opposite of 'deprecate'?

I've been using 'apprecate' for a few years, but I'm pretty sure that isn't a word.

Context: "I'd consider this interface method apprecated, but any of the others will work..."

Sometimes 'aprecate' instead.
 
posted by (anonymous) at 10:09pm on 04/10/2010
The word you want is 'recommend'.

S.
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posted by [identity profile] ixwin.livejournal.com at 09:20pm on 04/10/2010
I'd probably say "least optimal" but would pick up the meaning of "pessimal" from the context.
 
posted by [identity profile] teithiwr.livejournal.com at 07:42am on 05/10/2010
I appreciate the fact that people are discussing words this intensely. :)

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