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posted by [personal profile] emperor at 04:40pm on 15/12/2010 under ,
Last year, on 23 December, I posted on facebook: "[[livejournal.com profile] emperor] thinks that John Cage's 4'33" should be the internet campaign for Christmas number one next year :-)". Clearly I wasn't the only person to think this, and some people even got their act together, and are trying to make it happen. Follow the think from here to amazon, and buy the single for 49p :-)[0]

I've liked Cage's 4'33" for quite some time now, having first encountered it at the GSM where my musicianship class one year was taken by someone who was very keen on 20th century music. When I had a radio show on CUR1350, it was the one thing the programme controller forbade me from playing - silence and radio make uncomfortable bedfellows. I'm a bit sad that it only ever seems to appear as a bit of a joke, as is the author of this little article on the background to the work. Cage's work reminds me that no-where is quiet these days, even concert halls, and it's a chance to pause and be reflective.

OTOH, if people who think it's a joke get it to Number 1, I won't be complaining at all. In fact, I'll be a very happy man :-)

[0] The Christmas Number 1 this year will be the track that's number 1 this Sunday, so based on purchases made this week
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posted by [identity profile] marnanel.livejournal.com at 04:50pm on 15/12/2010
Radio 4, I think it was, played it in full the other year. The funny part was that the characteristic sound of this piece sounds exactly like something else which trips alarms if four minutes of it are heard on Radio 4, so they had to disable things in order to play it.

Edit: oh, and you heard about the Mike Batt lawsuit?
Edited Date: 2010-12-15 04:51 pm (UTC)
 
posted by [identity profile] wellinghall.livejournal.com at 06:23am on 16/12/2010
What is the Mike Batt lawsuit?
 
posted by [identity profile] marnanel.livejournal.com at 04:31pm on 16/12/2010
Mike Batt put a silent track on one of his albums to fill in space. For a joke, the liner credited the track to Batt/Cage. Amazingly, Cage's estate sued Batt for copyright infringement. It was settled out of court.

Details (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/2276621.stm).
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posted by [personal profile] emperor at 04:38pm on 16/12/2010
It was a publicity stunt, and Batt has admitted as much.
 
posted by [identity profile] wellinghall.livejournal.com at 05:09pm on 16/12/2010
Ta
 
posted by [identity profile] atreic.livejournal.com at 05:00pm on 15/12/2010
It's not music. Silence is important, but that doesn't make it music. Cancer stats are important, and I don't think they should be the xmas number 1 either :-) I don't see how anyone can be the composer of something that is nothing but silence!
 
posted by (anonymous) at 05:24pm on 15/12/2010
Silence is clearly part of music, in the same way that blank space is part of poetry, the background is part of art and space is part of architecture. The moderns (in all forms of art) were very interested in pushing the boundaries as far as they could go: basically and asking 'and can you do this and it still be art?' In visual art, can you let go of representation, colours, and so on; in music, can you let go of key, melody, and so on. In poetry how far can you go beyond grammar, beyond the normal rules of typography; in drama can you get rid of things like plot, character, and the separation of actor and audience?

(And technically of course it's very important that it's not dead silence: it's the sound of a concert hall with the orchestra seated but not playing. It's something which occurs before and after every other piece of music, and sometimes in the middle too. In a way, every single other piece of music is just that with other sounds put on top.)

So actually the whole point of it is to make you question what music is, by presenting you with something where something that is an essential part of music -- the intro and outro to every piece of music ever -- becomes the whole thing, and all the other elements are stripped away.

Is it music? Well, that's the question Cage is asking, and the correct response is not to come down firmly on one side or the other, to say 'of course it's music!' or 'of course it isn't!', but to use the opportunity to open your eyes and think more deeply about what music is.

Can someone be said to have composed it? Well, yes. Of course it seems an obvious idea in retrospect; it seems like it would have taken no effort. But Cage was an accomplished composer, so it obviously wasn't that he was incapable of composing something with notes; but the mark of genius is to do something that no one has ever thought of, but that everyone thinks was utterly obvious. (If this seems a lot like why it's the mark of genius to be unappreciated, well, the reader may draw their conclusions).

I, too, am sad that it's usually seen as a joke. But then I keep having to deal with people who claim that free verse isn't even poetry, so my opinion of humanity can't really sink much lower.

S.
 
posted by [identity profile] marnanel.livejournal.com at 05:56pm on 15/12/2010
As a formalist, I often worry that people will assume that I share this opinion of free verse. Robert Frost was perhaps right in thinking that it's like playing tennis with the net down, but only insofar as it's technically more difficult and therefore in one way more interesting.
 
posted by (anonymous) at 11:44pm on 15/12/2010
The problem is that people think that a free verse poem is a poem without any form -- when in fact every free verse poem both invents and conforms to its own form, at the same time. So whereas if I write a sonnet I can assume that the reader knows what a sonnet is and therefore a large part of my job as poet (form being, as I'm sure a formalist will realise, a large part of a poem) has been done for me by the generations of sonneteers before me, and I can concentrate on the content. However, if I write a free verse poem I must simultaneously teach the reader the form and also fill that form with content.

So yes, free verse is more difficult -- far too difficult for me, whose experiments into verse are very limited and have only involved filling in well-established forms like sonnets, villanelles and sestinae. I wish I had the ability to write free verse, which is why it galls me so when people claim that it's 'easy' or somehow 'cheating'.

Basically, Mr Frost is wrong -- free verse isn't playing tennis with the net down, rather it is more like tightrope walking without a safety net. And laying out the tightrope as you walk it.

S.
 
posted by [identity profile] marnanel.livejournal.com at 12:08am on 16/12/2010
I think the tightrope is a better metaphor.

But when I said Frost was right, what I meant was this: the net serves a purpose in tennis, but not a necessary purpose. You may play tennis without a net, but you have to be very smart, very aware, and a very good player. Otherwise you won't know when you've lost. Similarly a sonnet is a form to work within; having to work outside established forms requires more skill. Ultimately, I am not good enough to write good free verse.

On the other hand, the sort of person who believes that playing tennis without a net is easier is not a good tennis player.

But I don't know whether all this is what Frost meant.

(Disclaimer: I may be wrong about the rules of tennis.)
Edited Date: 2010-12-16 12:10 am (UTC)
 
posted by (anonymous) at 01:18am on 16/12/2010
Exactly.

S.
 
posted by (anonymous) at 01:22am on 16/12/2010
(Indeed, the sort of person who believes that playing tennis without a net is easier reveals that they don't really understand tennis at all.)

S.
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posted by [identity profile] sigisgrim.livejournal.com at 05:29pm on 15/12/2010
S is quite right in what he says. I've just bought it and listened to it, and the applause at the end was quite emotional. £0.49 well spent, I think.
 
posted by [identity profile] emily-shore.livejournal.com at 05:40pm on 15/12/2010
I also agree with S; it is music.

Someday I intend to read Kyle Gann's book on the piece.
 
posted by [identity profile] samholloway.livejournal.com at 06:24pm on 15/12/2010
Who was the PC when you were on CUR1350? I shall have words (assuming I can find my time-machine). Would have been happy to have that playing in my tenure. It can cause problems, though, with systems that automatically kick-in when they detect everything's gone silent... (This is often a problem during two-minute silences; I remember one year when Q103's silence-defeat kicked-in half-way through the Armistice silence and starting banging out the hits.)
 
posted by [identity profile] didiusjulianus.livejournal.com at 06:08pm on 16/12/2010
I personally think the original work is a lot less profound than that, and I won't be paying good money to attempt to make anything at all number one (whether that would be an overhyped second-rate reality 'star', or to prevent a reality star getting it, via something else I hadn't planned to buy).

Your method may vary though and that is fine by me :)
 
posted by (anonymous) at 07:13pm on 16/12/2010
I almost never buy singles, but this year I did try to help the Saw Doctors' special new a capella cut of Red Cortina to number one. MOney goes to St Vincent de Paul for every one sold. It's the first, and hopefully last, time I pay money for music without a physical recording.

S.
 
posted by [identity profile] the-alchemist.livejournal.com at 09:08pm on 17/12/2010
I bought it, and enjoyed listening to it.

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