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I've been trying to repair the electronic-form KJV (long story. don't
ask unless you want a rant); and in doing so I've come across a little issue. For example:

Psa92
2 To shew forth thy lovingkindness in the morning, and thy faithfulness every
night,

"lovingkindness" appears in another 25 places in the OT:

Ps17:7 Ps26:3 Ps36:7 Ps36:10 Ps40:10 Ps40:11 Ps42:8 Ps48:9 Ps51:1
Ps63:3 Ps69:16 Ps88:11 Ps89:33 Ps103:4 Ps107:43 Ps119:88 Ps119:149
Ps119:159 Ps138:2 Ps143:8 Je9:24 Je16:5 Je31:3 Je32:18 Ho2:19

Now Senji thought that should be "loving kindness", which
various old Bibles

j4 looked in had, along with "louing
kindnesse" "mercy" and (once) "loving-kindness". The text seems to be
a not-quite-up-to-date-language KJV, advertising itself merely as
"Holy Bible, Authorized (King James) Version. Textfile 930105."

My question is: for this version of the text, should I be using
"lovingkindness", "loving-kindness" (which the OED prefers), "loving
kindness", or something else? Quoting other online sources is probably not helpful, since I suspect strongly they all derive from the same original...

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Hrm, I don't think "lovingkindness" is the same as "loving kindness" - I think I've seen the one-word version in the KJV as quoted in the BCP. It might be worth looking to see how the RSV does it though.

I wouldn't really know though - we High types don't usually read it that much :-P

Incidentally, I heard in a sermon the other day that the NT's "grace" is derived in part from the same word as "lovingkindness" in OT. Do you know anything about that?

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I wouldn't really know though - we High types don't usually read it that much :-P

I was expecting you to tell me that the BCP has "loving-kindness", since you probably read that more often than the Bible :-p

Incidentally, I heard in a sermon the other day that the NT's "grace" is derived in part from the same word as "lovingkindness" in OT. Do you know anything about that?

Oh, uh. Dunno. Ask

taimatsu :)

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I was expecting you to tell me that the BCP has "loving-kindness", since you probably read that more often than the Bible :-p

I'll have you know I had to read an awfully difficult bit of Ephesians in public on Monday :-P (which included the very odd word "you-ward")

I am crawling through the lectionary though, don't worry. *grin*

Seriously - the "grace" connection is why I'd opt for "lovingkindness" or, at a push, the hyphenated version. I mean, people can and should treat one another with loving kindness, but I suspect that the psalmist meant something a little more profound / sublime than that.

Mind you the Psalms can be odd. Particularly the bits about braining people against rocks.

Have a good day *g*

Seriously - the "grace" connection is why I'd opt for "lovingkindness" or, at a push, the hyphenated version. I mean, people can and should treat one another with loving kindness, but I suspect that the psalmist meant something a little more profound / sublime than that.

*nod* I think that loving-kindness is probably the right answer. The OED in fact cites a translation of the Psalms as the origin of it, and the definition seems not too bad:

Affectionate tenderness and consideration; kindness arising from a deep personal love, as the active love of God for his creatures.

It probably doesn't matter that much, as English wasn't totally standardised at the time of the KJV anyway. If in doubt, go with the OED, would be my advice.

I think going with the OED may well be the way forwards.

You could see if the UL (or some other suitable library) have old (pre-computer) editions of the KJV. Assuming that the goal is to reflect the original KJV as closely as possible, that is.