posted by
emperor at 10:56am on 27/03/2008
As noted previously, the removers have caused some trauma to our printer. I'm not sure what to do next.
I bought this printer (a second-hand hp laserjet 2300 dtn) in November, for about 180 GBP incl shipping (it came on a pallet). It worked Just Fine - both paper trays worked, the duplexer worked, etc. etc.
The toner cartridge in it was part-full. No sign of greying or anything just before we moved. The printer came with a spare toner cartridge (also part-full)
AFAII, they moved the printer as a single unit, unboxed. When I turned it on post-move, it made a horrible noise. I powered it off, and opened up the various trays/doors/etc, from out of which came 3 small bits of plastic (two grey, 1 black). Additionally, it seems that one of the hinges from the door covering the network card has broken, although this doesn't stop the door functioning normally. The following faults persist:
i) with the cartridge that was moved inside it in it, it prints white pages
ii) the smaller paper tray (2) doesn't feed paper properly - the catches on the side aren't engaged when you slide it in, so it thinks the tray is empty; if you correct that by manually frobbing them before insertion, you get paper jams feeding out of that tray
[the other toner cartridge seems to print normally]
I'm not quite sure what to do about this. The removers claim the bits of plastic couldn't have come from inside the printer, and that the fact a newer toner cartridge just works shows it's just that the old toner cartridge has run out. I've not made heavy use of tray 2 (as tray 3 holds a full ream, which is much more useful). So, the printer mostly-still-works, if I'm prepared to abandon the old toner cartridge as dead. OTOH, I'm still sure the bits of plastic came from somewhere.
Separately, I've found another clock they broke by packing it badly. I wonder how they'll try and wiggle out of fixing that.
I bought this printer (a second-hand hp laserjet 2300 dtn) in November, for about 180 GBP incl shipping (it came on a pallet). It worked Just Fine - both paper trays worked, the duplexer worked, etc. etc.
The toner cartridge in it was part-full. No sign of greying or anything just before we moved. The printer came with a spare toner cartridge (also part-full)
AFAII, they moved the printer as a single unit, unboxed. When I turned it on post-move, it made a horrible noise. I powered it off, and opened up the various trays/doors/etc, from out of which came 3 small bits of plastic (two grey, 1 black). Additionally, it seems that one of the hinges from the door covering the network card has broken, although this doesn't stop the door functioning normally. The following faults persist:
i) with the cartridge that was moved inside it in it, it prints white pages
ii) the smaller paper tray (2) doesn't feed paper properly - the catches on the side aren't engaged when you slide it in, so it thinks the tray is empty; if you correct that by manually frobbing them before insertion, you get paper jams feeding out of that tray
[the other toner cartridge seems to print normally]
I'm not quite sure what to do about this. The removers claim the bits of plastic couldn't have come from inside the printer, and that the fact a newer toner cartridge just works shows it's just that the old toner cartridge has run out. I've not made heavy use of tray 2 (as tray 3 holds a full ream, which is much more useful). So, the printer mostly-still-works, if I'm prepared to abandon the old toner cartridge as dead. OTOH, I'm still sure the bits of plastic came from somewhere.
Separately, I've found another clock they broke by packing it badly. I wonder how they'll try and wiggle out of fixing that.
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However, that doensn't relieve them of a duty of care to you and your property. I presume that they realised that there were a number of computers and printers to move, so they should have provided suitable removing services to move them without causing damage. This might have significantly increased the price, but their failure to do so doesn't remove their duty of care.
Secondly, I think you should continue to chase them up for payment of repair or replacement. If you get nowhere I suggest you threaten to take the matter to the small claims court. Get repair and replacement quotes for the various broken things. It might be worth talking to your contents insurers; they might be able to offer some suggestions about ways forward, they might even be willing to take the matter up on your behalf.
You might have to give the old toner cartridge up as a bad job, but the fact that it all worked without problem before the moved it and didn't after they moved it points quite clearly to them damaging it. However, proving it may be difficult.
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I hope everything turns out ok and that you like this house better. I also hope the new tenants of your old landlord are much worse than you ever were and make him regret losing you.
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This may be the difference between residential removals and commercial removals - the amount of stuff they will do or expect to be done in order to make things ready for the actual loading/packing.
I have to admit to being a very cautious person, and had it been me I'd have removed both toner and trays and ensured they were packed separately by whoever was doing the packing.
I moved my laptop and pcs myself (including the scanner and printer) because I viewed them as special cases, and I'm pretty sure there was some indemnity clause somewhere about them, trusting the removal people with the screens - simply because they were too heavy. I still packed them myself (I did all my own packing, cos I wanted to be sure nothing got broken/badly packed).
Not much consolation for you - the insurers should be insured for any damage, so claiming for repair/replacement is the way to go. I think the key point is this though - did you pack for removals yourself, or did they pack for you?
If the former, then you may well have problems as they will almost certainly claim it wasn't made ready for removal - if the latter, they don't have much of a leg to stand on, and it's going to be your word against theirs on the toner cartridge unfortunately.
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