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posted by [personal profile] emperor at 07:02pm on 29/06/2008 under , ,
The other day, we finished a bottle of Bombay Sapphire, and duly took it to the bottle bank, where we were faced with clear (they mean clear and colourless, but hey), green, and brown bottle banks...
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ETA this site thinks blue goes in with green.

Separately, I'm wondering about our herbs. Mint is straightforward - I cut the tops of stems and use the leaves fresh. The bay tree, is similarly simple - pick a leaf or two off, and dry them. I'm more confused about the others - how to harvest them without killing the plant, and what to do with the result before use in cookery. We also have:

Oregano
I think just "prune" the tops of the stems, and then use the leaves, dried?

Rosemary
prune the stems, take the leaves off, and use fresh? I gather dried it becomes much stronger, which is sometimes desirable...

Sage
pluck leaves, and use fresh, I think. Maybe with veal...

Thyme
prune and dry?, then use the leaves?



I'd be interested in comments/corrections. Also, how should I go about drying those herbs which need drying? leave them on a sunny windowsil? or something else?

I leave you with a link to a site with quite a lot of details about herbs and spices.
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posted by [identity profile] fluffymormegil.livejournal.com at 06:27pm on 29/06/2008
I'm pretty sure I've read that you can put blue glass in the green glass bin. Other than that I put all non-green non-clear glass in brown.
 
posted by [identity profile] antinomy.livejournal.com at 06:28pm on 29/06/2008
I use all of oregano, rosemary, sage, and thyme fresh for preference. Just pinch off what's required, and chop the leaves down if that seems sensible.

To dry, take a number of sprigs, tie together and hang upside down somewhere dry and (for preference) dark. Once they're dry it can be helpful to put them into a paper bag so that any leaves that fall off can be rescued and cooked with. This should work for all of the herbs you mention. If you want your oregano without flower heads on it, harvest it sooner rather than later, though the flowers are not a problem in cooking.

Don't harvest more than about 1/4 of the plant, especially with perennial herbs in the first year, unless you want to be buying new plants every year. I've had variable luck overwintering thyme, sometimes it survives, sometimes it doesn't. Likewise Oregano - a good tip is to grow Marjoram instead, it's just a different cultivar from the oregano family, and can be used exactly the same way, but it survives consistently outside in the soil in Britain.

Erm, I think that's my total herb knowledge brain-dumped...

Oh, blue glass bottles - re-use is preferable to recycling, so give them to me! (Or use them yourself for storing oil etc!)
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posted by [personal profile] emperor at 06:30pm on 29/06/2008
I'll try and remember any future Bombay bottles :)

Why dry in the dark? I'd have thought a bit of bright sunlight would be just the ticket for drying...
 
posted by [identity profile] fluffymormegil.livejournal.com at 06:35pm on 29/06/2008
Sunlight will affect the nifty chemicals in your herbs.
 
posted by [identity profile] antinomy.livejournal.com at 06:59pm on 29/06/2008
Bleaches the leaves, also tends to ruin the flavour.
 
posted by [identity profile] pseudomonas.livejournal.com at 06:31pm on 29/06/2008
I'd use all of those fresh, apart from bay. I'd just pull off some chunks and discard any stem that looks too woody.
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posted by [personal profile] hooloovoo_42 at 06:35pm on 29/06/2008
I put them in my blue box along with all the other bottles, cans, tins and plastic and leave them out on Wednesday night.
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posted by [personal profile] emperor at 06:41pm on 29/06/2008
*sigh* I remember the halcyon days of living somewhere with a blue box scheme
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posted by [personal profile] hooloovoo_42 at 06:52pm on 29/06/2008
Sheffield only collect paper & card for kerbside recycling, so I have to bring Ma's bottle collection back with me. I think our binmen think I'm a raving dypso, or have hyuge parties every couple of months.
 
posted by [identity profile] jane-somebody.livejournal.com at 06:39pm on 29/06/2008
Only instead of "what should you do..." please read my answer as if the question was "what would you do..." Because I don't know definitively; that's just the way I personally deal with the matter.
 
posted by [identity profile] james-r.livejournal.com at 07:03pm on 29/06/2008
I assume the kerbside glass collection causes all the glass to be used for brown glass. Hence I'd assume that any colour really can go in the brown glass bin.
 
posted by [identity profile] kaet.livejournal.com at 07:10pm on 29/06/2008
I'm sure I've read green goes with blue somewhere. But I always think it's weird that Bombay Sapphire comes in a colour usually used for poison. Thinking about it, perhaps not so strange!
 
posted by [identity profile] 1ngi.livejournal.com at 07:16pm on 29/06/2008
Use all of them fresh as and when, but harvest some for winter. Cut off good stems and tie them in a bundle, hang upside down in a dark dry place. Strip off the leaves when needed. You need much more dried stuff in recipes as the flavour is weaker.
 
posted by [identity profile] 1ngi.livejournal.com at 07:17pm on 29/06/2008
Ah I see antimony has given you good info.
 
posted by [identity profile] fivemack.livejournal.com at 07:49pm on 29/06/2008
I tend to use thyme fresh, but since I'm usually using it as a flavour for something roasted it probably gets quite dried in the oven. Any herb that needs drying feels like Too Much Faff to me.

We have three basil plants on the windowsill, and I presume the right answer is to pluck basil-leaves from them in alternation, rather than denuding one of them while the other two grow mighty parasols.
 
posted by [identity profile] mobbsy.livejournal.com at 08:10pm on 29/06/2008
Another vote for using fresh herbs.

For rosemary, I tend to take off the long spindley stalks, which encourages more bushy growth anyway.

IME thyme does OK outdoors in Cambridge, but if it's in a pot (and IIRC yours is), needs plenty of water. I killed my outdoor thyme by failing to water it. Just take long runners of it, run your fingers along the stalk to pull off the leaves and chop them a bit (or in a stew where you can easily remove whole stalks, just drop the lot in).

Sage I tend to pick a few leaves from random stalks and use fresh. Sage and onion gravy goes well with pork (very slowly caramalise a couple of onions with a teaspoon or two of sugar, add a bit of cider vinegar, boil off most of the acid, add water, add a teaspoon of wholegrain mustard and as much chopped fresh sage as you feel like).

In general, I use fresh herbs later in cooking than I'd use dried herbs.
 
posted by [identity profile] fivemack.livejournal.com at 10:36pm on 29/06/2008
My thyme is doing fantastically planted in the earth outdoors in Cambridge, though I did pick the sunniest spot in the garden; it's nearly outcompeting the mint!

I planted it under the rose-bush after being told that the smell might distract rosebush-eating predators, and indeed the rose bush is doing a bit better this year.
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posted by [personal profile] lnr at 02:10pm on 06/07/2008
It wouldn't have even vaguely occurred to me to think thyme would struggle in this country.

We found some growing wild on a tiny peninsula of Bute last week.
 
posted by [identity profile] enismirdal.livejournal.com at 08:49pm on 29/06/2008
I seem to vaguely recall that the brown container will take any glass under the sun, as it's for the low grades of glass, hence the frequently seen instructions on the green container "if full, use brown".

It's nice to know blue can probably go in green too, though. :)

Fortunately Tower Hamlets Council happily collects mixed recycling in a large pink bag, so aside from perennial debates over plastics (they haven't explicitly stated "1 and 2 are OK, but 3-7 are not", so we're not sure whether they're in any experimental schemes with the more exotic plastics), there's really no sorting as such to do.
 
posted by [identity profile] stripey-cat.livejournal.com at 09:16pm on 29/06/2008
As others have said, I'd use them all fresh in the summer, and dry only what you think you'll need for the winter. Despite being Mediterranean in origin, they do all like at least some water and fertilizer (yes, it is possible to kill sage, lavender, rosemary and all the rest by dehydration, and I've done it more than once); oregano is the least frost hardy, followed (in my experience) by bay, sage, rosemary and thyme in that order. The thing most likely to kill any of them is waterlogging, especially once it gets cooler - if it is very wet they may be happier under cover.

For all of them, pick out the stems you would cut out if you were pruning (lightly): don't cut them back into the hard wood (most of them won't regrow if you cut a stem back into brown wood), and do try to cut just above a pair of good buds. If you want to pick a lot to dry, go over the plant pinching out the top couple of inches of each sprig, rather than cutting branches back hard in places. The exception is oregano, which isn't woody (at least not if it's razed each winter); I try to overwinter one or two plants (or more often rely on my mother who is both living in a milder climate and better at propagating from cuttings than I am), but most of them I'll cut and dry before the first frosts.

If you can't tie them up into bunches because the bits are too short (I'm always reluctant to cut into last season's growth), you can dry herbs on a cake-rack, or stretch a bit of old (clean!) net across a frame to make a drying shelf that fits your airing cupboard if you think you'll dry a lot. The ideal place to dry herbs is somewhere dark (as previously discussed), dry (duh!) and not too hot (or you lose volatile perfume). In practice, the airing cupboard with the door open is often the best compromise, but a very cool oven can work if the weather is muggy, or right next to the intake of a dehumidifier. In cooler weather, above a radiator will do (or over the Aga if you have one!).
 
posted by [identity profile] aiwendel.livejournal.com at 10:48pm on 29/06/2008
I use all herbs fresh unless they're out of season.
Obviously you need a greater volume fresh than dehydrated.
Oregano etc I usually put in the food a lot later when fresh than when dehydrated; it's less likely to get lost...
 
posted by [identity profile] aiwendel.livejournal.com at 10:52pm on 29/06/2008
green=blue+yellow ergo blue = subset of green most definitely in my head.
Clear (and colourless) means colourless so it would be wrong to put any coloured glass in there at all.
Brown=red+ yellow+blue/green (all colours mixed=brown; think plasticine!) so it wouldn't be wrong to put blue in brown, but it's further from brown than it is from green.

 
posted by [identity profile] phlebas.livejournal.com at 08:33am on 30/06/2008
I'm pretty sure blue should go in with green. In practice, though, the wrongness makes me itchy and I have two empty ones sat in the kitchen waiting for me to do something with them.
 
posted by [identity profile] wellinghall.livejournal.com at 08:55am on 30/06/2008
The easiest thing to do with your blue glass bottles is to give them to me before emptying them ... ;-)
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posted by [identity profile] sigisgrim.livejournal.com at 09:22am on 30/06/2008
My understanding (from a wine supplier who use(d) blue glass bottles) is that they aren't compatible with either clear, green or brown glass recycling processes. The implication is that the only real thing that can be done is to put them into land fill, which is a bit crap. Consequently we try not to buy anything in blue glass.
 
posted by [identity profile] robert-jones.livejournal.com at 06:22pm on 30/06/2008
This says they go in the green bank.
 
posted by [identity profile] robert-jones.livejournal.com at 06:23pm on 30/06/2008
Oh, you already knew that. I didn't see it under the cut.
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posted by [personal profile] sparrowsion at 08:19am on 01/07/2008
Green bottles, blue bottles, they're all glas, aren't they?

OK, I'm not sure you should really use glas for green bottles. But it amused me.
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posted by [personal profile] emperor at 03:40pm on 01/07/2008
*groan* :)

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