posted by [identity profile] ptc24.livejournal.com at 06:57pm on 20/02/2011
Would Na be OK for sodium?
 
posted by [identity profile] cartesiandaemon.livejournal.com at 11:15am on 21/02/2011
What about it? When I saw the question, I seemed to remember that "Na" came from a word, the latter half of which had an etymological connection to sodium, and I was all set to say that was really clever. (And, by the guidelines I outlined, would be ok, since you have to know the words at both stages to make the connection, as there's no overlap between the two halves except in the word you don't say. Although I stress again, that those are suggested guidelines, not fixed rules.)

But now, it looks like according to the internet, my memory was completely wrong, so why ask about sodium? It seems to fall into my category of "using a different chemical name for the same chemical (either giving the formula or another standard name with no etymological overlap)", which was ok.
 
posted by [identity profile] ptc24.livejournal.com at 11:23am on 21/02/2011
Na, though, is an abbreviation for Natrium, which is Latin (well, new Latin) for sodium. If you disallow abbreviations and disallow translations (and treat "C" as a mere abbreviation of carbon), is it OK to allow abbreviations of translations?
 
posted by [identity profile] cartesiandaemon.livejournal.com at 12:07pm on 21/02/2011
Ah, of course. Good question. I think my guidelines were -- unsurprisingly -- inconsistent. I think that if everyone is equally fluent in two languages, you obviously need to treat all translated words as if they were the same word, or there's be no game (except when the words happened also to be etymologically related).

But my instinct is that otherwise the double-hoop of an acronym and a translation both together is sufficient barrier that it's a fair clue. (A rule of thumb would be, do I go through the intermediate word to get the answer? In fact, I know "Na" means "Sodium" and "SNCF" means "French railway" more than I know the literal translation.) But I agree that's all just vague.

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